tv Memorial Service for Charlottesville Victim Heather Heyer CSPAN August 17, 2017 1:37am-2:47am EDT
>> watch on c-span and the c-span.org and listen using the free c-span radio app. >> on thursday, a memorial service was held in charlottesville, virginia. heather heyer was killed saturday when a driver hit her. she was 32 years old. this is just over an hour. >> hi. my name is kathy, and heather's mother and i have been best friends for a while. we are so close we call each other sisters. so i have been asked to welcome every one of you here today. we are here to remember heather heyer. and to say goodbye.
some of us are here as family. some of us are friends old and new. some of coworkers, but that is more like family to heather. and some of us are just here out of respect for a young woman who lost her life defending the rights of people. and i would like for us to carry her legacy on by doing the same thing -- respecting the rights of everyone. the family is humbled and deeply grateful for the outreach and the outpouring of love from the community, and generosity. we especially need to rank the jf bell funeral services, the ,aramount, the space downtown the limousine company, and the
police department have kept us all secure today. time, elwood schrader, heather's grandfather, is going to share some remembrances. elwood: i would like to repeat that we thank you for coming. we are absolutely in all at this outpouring of affection. awe of this outpouring of affection. i am to speak of heather's childhood, for i knew her quite well. she lived in our home for some
years, her younger years. i have rocked her to sleep times, andmany sometimes, we went to sleep together in the chair. i sang to her. i made up little songs at times. i wish i had some of those recorded. they were truly silly, but it did not matter to heather. she loved them. i have read to her many times. i listened to tapes with her. we were close. and she, like her brother, loved to be carried in a backpack. what exuberance in that backpack -- little legs flailing. many times, she knocked off my hat or pushed it down over my eyes. i will never forget those times. she could reach around and get your hat, swing it, and wave it. and i think she experimented with newton's law of gravity
quite often. we had a good time with that. nick, before her, had loved that backpack. so we walked a good bit. she showed her passion at an early age. you did not know her as a child, most of you. adult,y knew her as an and saw the passion in her. but at an early age, she could call out something that did not seem right to her. as a tot in nursery school one time, my wife was asked to go pick up heather that evening, because susan had to work late. and when she showed up, the attendant, the one taking care of her, said, heather, your grandma is here.
heather stamped her foot, got indignant, and that little tot went tottering across the floor. she said "she is not a grandma. grandmas walk like this. she is nanna!" and she was. she called me granddaddy, but the way she said it, i will never forget, and we teased about it. i was grand-ga-daddy. just for a laugh. in earlier years, she wanted fairness, justice, wanted everybody to get equal respects. with the older brother, that would get tough. the older brothers get more privileges. she would watch that and she would call you out. that?"n't i have
"why does he get to do it?" we had a lot of fiery discussions. she wanted to understand your viewpoint. it didn't seem right to her, but she insisted on knowing. i think that you saw some of that. talk, discussed, and had many questions. sometimes, i couldn't come up with answers. she was pretty sharp. how ironic that she ended up in a law office. discussion with passion, hands waving. you knewew heather, that she could not talk without both hands in motion. see hern adventure to come home and tell you about the happenings of the day. it got so animated, that we would quit eating and watch her
as she stood up at the corner of the dining room table, waiting hands and almost dancing as she told you something that happened that day. she loved life. she was entertaining to watch as she grew up. you never knew what was coming next. yes. passion, desire for justice, we saw that through her life. she wanted respect for everybody. lives matter. all she absorbed that well, as did her mother before her and her brother. she realized that we all need forgiveness and we all must extend forgiveness.
that same passion, that same girl, you met her, you who knew her as an adult, you knew her, too. she was a lady of happiness and great joy and realized that all lives matter. let me again say how much we appreciate what this community has done for us. her andtruly honoring our family. my wife and i deeply appreciate that. bless you. mark heyer, heather's father.
and we went to a cabin and spent a few days together. the evening was about to get a little chilly. her mom told her to put on a sweater because we were going to the pool. actually, i agreed with heather. she didn't want to put on the sweater. but she defied her mom. goingm said, "we are not to the pool, unless you put on the sweater." hours,he next two heather decided that she knew better and defied her mom. dealing thing i could do was sit in a room with her. i couldn't cross the mom. to this day, i don't remember how it turned out. i don't really remember. all i remember is her passion. heather's passion extended to
her ideas, her thoughts. she grandfather was right -- could tell if somebody was in being straight and she would call you out. like a father and daughter relationship, we didn't always agree. yeah,pressed to me that, along with me and everybody else -- she would argue, even if she didn't think it was appropriate. she would tell you what she thought. and listened to her friends hear stories of my daughter and the way she was, she loved people. she wanted equality. of the day of her passing, she wanted to put down
hate. we just need to stop all of this and forgive each other. i think that is what the lord would want us to do. stop. just love one another. i came here today and i was overwhelmed. at the rainbowed of colors in this room. that is how heather was. it didn't matter who you were aware you are from. it.loved you and that was you were stuck. for that, i am truly proud of my daughter. gotten.s far as i have next will be the reverend.
reverend: relax. it is not a sermon. it is true i am a pastor. i do not typically go by the title of reverend. i go by the title of "pastor." there are two purposes for a memorial service. the first is to cherish memories of a loved one in the second is for us to consider the value of such occasions as this and what
value is added to us for the journey that remains for our individual lives. 9, the disciples said to jesus, "teach us to pray that we may know how to live on earth and prepare for eternity." "our father, who heaven -- hewas this prayer that wanted affected into our hearts. today, that we may know how to live on earth. context is important. i am a pastor and one of the senior pastor's, in terms of tenure, in this city. have been hereor 36 years each.
covenant church several times and that is why her mother asked that i speak today. i asked for susan to give me boundaries and she said to speak about diversity. i will share with you my comments of what heather sought at covenant church and what has ianspired in 36 years and why will talk about diversity in the way that i shall do so. my role in this community came about as i became a graduate student in sociology. that,surprised to find upon completing residency, we were to become pastors. our congregation was a modest size with one color. i came to the conclusion, being jesus wasist, that
the greatest sociologist of all times and understood social movements, small groups, , likees, diversity none other. the sermon on the mount is the greatest keys of literature to summarize social issues. my decision was to implement the teachings of jesus. so, we established important principles that i hold dear and that we hold dear and what heather would have experienced in coming to covenant. family, created by god. that no man iss created to himself or dies by themselves. this is a testimony to the passion that this is a knowledge by -- this is recognized by you and around the world. included.
d god.ouls are mine" sai when you hear a matter, make sure you hear the other side before making a decision. that is proverbs 18 and 17. if you have a problem with someone, go to them before telling anyone else. that is matthew 18:15. everyone, believe the best in everyone. that is matthew six. -- matthew 6. wegive us our trespasses as forgive those who trespass against us. remember that the cross is common ground, where our rights are surrendered to serve god. so,s this journey brings us to where flagsmoment
hanging in this sanctuary and more than 20 nations gather on a sunday morning. i do not know the total number of tribes that attend the church. one nation did have five different tribes at the same time. this is the diversity that heather saw. me saying this from the pulpit at covenant church? can you imagine of somebody going to the university of virginia hospital, which i consider to be a world-class medical facility, and needing plasma, a heart transplant, and saying, "who is the donor?" having a brain tumor and going to the hospital and saying, "excuse me, i want to know who the doctors are -- the color and culture?"
i you had a brain tumor, think you would say, "who is the best doctor?" "who is the best doctor in the house?" jesus practiced diversity and disciplestley crew of , extremely different in personality, giftedness, and skills, and molded them into a force that change the world. i hope that this moment of sadness rings us a higher appreciation of our need for each other and may god transform us into servants with humility, to not only give our best to the master and each other. -- and for me and my house -- our service to you is to share the love of jesus with others, regardless of whether they look, talk, dress, act, or
eat what we do. thenant church is one of most aggressive churches in the community working with refugees. susan,ould say to you, thank you for allowing me here. second, i hope that you absolutely, with all of the energy that is within you, appreciate the diversity of mankind and that you would do everything you can do to make peace. thank you so much for allowing me to share about heather's experience with diversity at covenant church. denise radcliffe, a cousin, comes now to speak.
denise: i picked a poem to adopt for today. the first one is "we remember them." as the rising sun is going down, we remember heather. at the blowing of the wind and the chilling of the winter, we remember her. in the rebirth of spring, we remember her. in the warmth of the summer, we remember her. of the leaves in the beauty of the autumn, we remember her. in the beginning of the year and when it ends, we remember her. as long as we live, she will live. she is now a part of us. we remember her. when we are weary and in need of strength, we remember her. when we are lost and sick at heart, we will remember her.
only have difficult decisions to make, we remember her. when we have joy we want to share, we remember her. when we have achievements based on her, we remember her. lives, weg as she will live. she is a part of us as we remember her. may our memories of heather be a comfort to us all. diana ratcliff will be next. diana: i'm going to share a letter i wrote to heather about all the things i wish i had said
before today. dear heather, did i ever tell you about my earliest memory of you. a whirling dervish of bouncy, brown curls? did i tell you that your eyes were infectious and that you glittered when you laughed? did i tell you that you came from a long line of stubborn and passionate women? toddler turnsf a you into an independent and compassionate woman. did i ever tell you how much i admire the woman you became? good in other the people. --r patient's was heroic patience was heroic.
your courage, you never had the problem of saying what was needed to be said, even when it was uncomfortable. you can let others tell you how to think, feel, how to behave. about how tell you much you taught me? you don't have to be a world we are to change the world. be one person, willing to show compassion to another. did i ever tell you how much i love you? heather, when my children ask me who i admire most, i will tell you, my-- tell them cousin who was larger than life and too good for this world. you are in a place where there is no paid, no sadness, no hunger, and no hate.
she was not just a coworker. she was a friend. i just wanted to share a few moments that we had together. i worked in the office with heather. everybody that knows her it knows she is not a morning person. that was her worst thing. she would come in in the morning. she would come in at 10:00. [laughter] get her coffee. that was important. we wanted her to have her coffee. she was just a wonderful soul. she would get to work and stay after. she would come in on the weekend. we all admired her commitment to the job and to life in general. she was a real person and it everyone -- and everyone who knew her knows that she cursed
like a sailor sometimes. my office was right outside the printer and i could hear her going off and she would look at me and say, "sorry." i was like, "that's fine." that was like an everyday thing. anr and me printer -- her i d the printer were enemies. our pains will fade away. our memories of heather will forever live on. i wrote a little something that i wanted to share. i'm sorry, heather. i am sorry that it ended that way on that horrible saturday. we didn't want to believe it was true. the ache in our heart of what happened to you. there must have been a mistake, gotpt saying to myself as i
the words that i couldn't speak. standing there, listening, but not actually hearing. lis -- i was not actually feeling. how could this happen in this world today? after all those marches that ended in violence and all the verdicts that ended in rage. one is this change ever going to change. i am sorry, heather. i'm sorry that you cared so much. bold,if you didn't be so they wouldn't have heard you and you would still be here. emptyour death will be and your coffee cup will sit there untouched. your fingers will never flick
the pages and you will not utter a single name. it will never be the same. i want to thank you, heather. all of your passion, your talks, your smiles, believing that this world could change, and trying to make that happen. thank you for making the world -- word you for making the "love" stronger. thank you.
>> hello. i was her supervisor. she was my close friend. quite often, she and i used to joke. i would say that she was my "office wife." i say that because a lot of people would tell you in the office and she even told my own wife and kids that she hated me sometimes. our beginning was interesting and humble, in a way. she came to our office five years ago and i sat down and interviewed with her and she
looked around the office and "i justout to me -- have a high school degree. i am just a waitress. i don't not a type, but i will do my best." i asked her how she did with her tips and she said that she did well with her tips. i asked her to tell me a story about one of the customers that came in. about a me a story customer coming in and she listens to him. as i listened to her talk to me, i said, "you need to come work for me." she said, "i don't know anything about the legal system. i don't know anything about bankruptcy." i said, "this is what i'm here for." she came and worked for us. she became a sponge.
everything i would tell her , she the bankruptcy codes would absorb. she would go to classes i sent her to. the most amazing part of it was watching her interact with clients and that was the piece i was seeing when i looked at her in the interview. she cared about everyone she spoke to. she listened to everyone she spoke to and she took to heart everything that they had to say. one time, i was just passing by her desk and she was talking to a client. it was kind of interesting. and wasnt worked atuva a professor. hospitalworked at uva and both of them made four or f ive times more than heather and they were embarrassed that they were having to come to her to file bankruptcy. she held their hands and said,
"alfred always tells me to remember that one of us could be on the other side of the table. i could be you, interviewing me." thatdn't bother her they were professors. -- i would say our youngest daughter reminded me of heather. yououngest daughter make feel like choking myself sometimes. that is heather, as well. [laughter] she would talk back to me. talking about my youngest daughter, and heather. [laughter] when i would say yes, heather would say no, and my youngest daughter would do the same. when i would think i had the right answer, heather would give
me a different answer and my youngest daughter will do the same thing. but the thing is, heather would always have that fight and that compassion in her, and at those times i was upset and was working late because i was bothered by something that happened in court or with a trustee, guess who stayed late with me? heather. sure would come in there and give me a hug and see if there was something she could do and maybe nothing she could do because she knew nothing about what we did on the back end of the process. but she would be there. i want to tell you a little story that happened one time probably about two years ago. heather has a friend she was seeing, and i knew she had been seeing him for a little while. and one night, heather and i worked late until about 8:00 and were walking out of the office and as we walked out, her friend
was sitting outside waiting for her. and i come the next day and heather was a little upset. i was wondering what was wrong and she said her and her friend got into an argument. i was like, what's wrong? well, you came out of the office and my friends are you. i'm like, ok. boss, him, you were my and he said, "you never told me you work for a black man," and he was like, what difference does that make? saidasically sat there and she didn't have a friend anymore, because she broke up with him, because it was more important to her that somebody she knew would stand by her, me, i didn't care who she was. i did not care that she only had a a high-school degree. but she cared enough for me that
she stood up only in her own personal relationship. it took a lot of strength for her to do something like that. as far she knows, the next day, i could have decided to fire her and she wouldn't have had a boyfriend and she didn't have a job. [laughter] but, heather, she was always there for everyone. i mean, the staff that came through the office, the ladies in the office had a unique bond and that is one of the things that any of you could ever come to our office, we were like family. all of us, after hours, we would sit there and have a couple drinks and laughs. we would hug each other. one of our staff was there with heather the day of the crash. she had watched her have a baby, watching her kids grow up.
heather's watched my children grow up. and now, she is going to have to look down from heaven and watch. but i know heather -- told myself i wouldn't get upset, but this is not working. i am proud of heather. i mean, this woman came to me and she did not believe how good she was, she always tried to remind me, i am just a waitress. i was like, note, you are not a waitress, you are a paralegal. you are damn good at your job. so good that my email all week has been blowing up. kept -- allen, i week and i kept getting e-mails,
and i knew we had screwed something up. but it was guys e-mailing. a guy came by the office and i am so used to people dropping in and saying that have a problem. this guy is sitting and waiting and i am like, here is another problem. and he came in there, he was a client three years ago. and he said when he heard about heather, he and his wife wanted to come by to express how important she was to them. she explained to me how heather relaxed them and got them to understand what they were going through and basically made of them felt like it was a good decision. he took it out of his day, the middle of the day to take off from work to tell us heather was that important. and i printed off like 2 emails i wanted to read you guys. i asked these clients, could i
read them to you. ashley,on, message from "i would like to send our condolences to your firm, heather was such a sweet person. always kind, friendly, helpful, in any way possible. she, in my eyes, is a hero, and hopefully all of this madness can stop. and hopefully we can make heather smile. thanks for your help, mr. wilson. this one client sent this, and i started crying at my computer. said "tonight, mr. wilson, my heart sunk in my tears flowed. casey and i worked with heather when we came to your group to seek help for filing chapter 13
bankruptcy." whoo. "we felt hopeless. when we arrived, i remember heather running your front office like a queen. she knew her work. she performed it well. heather left a true impact on me and my husband. we were your clients. i can only imagine the pain and sorrow your office may be feeling this monday morning, a true void, a senseless act of evil crime, an act of terrorism took heather home. i am so saddened for everybody who knew heather and i am praying that the family and her friends and her workers will truly be able to heal. we will miss her. heather, i mean, she touched our clients every day. she was the one person in the office that touched every single
file. not a just one file, but every file had to come through heather. they touched her hands, every single one of them. as heather would sit there and she got what i was teaching her, if you really look at a file the right way, you can see what happens in a person's life. you see a whole bunch of credit card debt and you see three kids, you know they cared about their kids and spent way too much money. you see a lot of medical bills. you know they had some kind of pain, something that happened. heather would be sympathetic. she would tell me before walked that before i even walked in them, this lady had breast cancer, be mindful of that. she cared about things like that. i will pray and ask that our world, somehow, someway, as we
-- can sit here and feel the love that she had. she believed in each and every one of us. she saw the good in everyone. even when times she said she hated me, she would still turn around and hug me within five minutes. [laughter] i thank all of you for coming out here. i have been truly blessed. when i say "truly blessed," i have been truly blessed to know heather. i've been blessed to know her mother. her stepfather. i mean, these are like really good people. my tire -- my brakes went bad in my car. what does heather do? she called him up and she fixes
-- and he fixed my truck. he loves heather, i know that. heather told her i was good so i must be a good person as far as they are concerned. they would drop a hat for anybody. i know that is where heather got it from, her parents. i would ask any of you to take the time for the next few days or the rest of your life, please just reach out your hand to somebody you don't know and tell them hi. do something i did it the other day. i was at mcdonald's drive-through and i told them i was paying for the lunch for the people behind me. i don't know who it was behind me. i knew heather would care enough, and she just helped everybody. maybe do something as simple as that.
buy the lunch for somebody behind you. don't acknowledge it, because then you are trying to take credit for it. that is not what heather did. she never sat and took credit for what she did good. she just did it because that is what it is supposed to be. thank you. next, we have heather's mother. i have aged 10 years and
the last week. my fibromyalgia is worse than ever. but i will be all right. my child's famous facebook post was "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." she paid attention. she made a lot of us pay attention. oh, my gosh, dinner with her we knew was going to be an ordeal of listening. [laughter] and conversation and perhaps disagreement, but it was going to happen. and so, my husband would say, i'm going to go out in the car and play on my video game for a while. we would grill and she and i would talk and i would listen. we would negotiate and i would listen, and we talked about all of the stuff.
we talked about politics, we talked about anything that caught her eyes that she felt was fair, unfair. she would talk about her feelings about the the office and how things were going. i mean, she just talked, the girl loved to talk. and she was single, so there was nobody to listen to home so mama got a lot of it. [laughter] and that was wonderful. you never think you will bury your child, and you never think to take those pictures. they asked me for pictures and i struggled. i had pictures from her childhood, but i had to go to facebook to find pictures because we were always together. i saw her a couple times a month and we would facebook message at bedtime, "i love you, you doing ok, i love you." i have no regrets on that part. take pictures of the ones you love, because you do not know when they are not going to be there. here's what i want to say to you today -- this could be a storm
in a teacup and could all be for nothing. i could've said, let's not do this publicly, let's have a small, private funeral, but that is not who she was. this is the way she had to go, big and large. have to have the world involved, it has this is my child. she was just that way, always has been and will continue to be. here is the message -- although she was a caring and compassionate person, so are a lot of you. a lot of you go that extra mile. i think the reason what happened to heather has struck a chord is because we know that what she did is achievable. we do not all have to die, we do not all have to sacrifice our lives. they tried to kill my child to shut her up. well, guess what? you just magnified her. [applause]
so here is what i want to happen. you ask me, what can i do, so many caring people, pages and pages of stuff i am going through. i am reading pages and pages of how she is touching the world. i want this to spread. i don't want this to die. this is just the beginning of heather's legacy. this not the end of heather's legacy. you need to find in your heart that small spark of accountability. that i can do to
make the world a better place? what injustice do i see and do not turn around -- "i do want to get involved, guess i don't want to get involved, my boss might think less of me." i don't care. poke that finger at yourself like heather would have done. make it happen. take that extra step. you find a way to make a difference in the world. my child had a high-school education, my child was no saint, she was hard to raise, because everything was a negotiation. [laughter] not kidding. you know what? she was a firm believer in what ever she believed, and let's do that. let's find that spark of conviction, let's find in ourselves that action. let's spread this. let's have the uncomfortable dialogue. it ain't sitting down and
saying, why are you upset? it ain't easy saying, i think this way and i do not agree with you, but i'm going to respectfully listen to what you have to say. we are not going to sit around and hold hands and sing "kumba ya," and it is not all about forgiveness. i'd know that is not a popular trend. the truth is, we are going to have our differences, we are going to be angry, but less channel that anger not into hate, not into violence, not not into fear, but let's channel that anger into righteous actions. right now, down the road, there's a blood drive going on in heather's name. there are people were here willing to listen to one another and talk to one another. last night in new england, they
had a peaceful rally in heather's name and there was difficult dialogue. if you ever want to see what those difficult dialogues look like, look at her facebook posts. they were rough sometimes. but they were dialogues, and the conversations have to happen and that is the only way we will through.ther's spark remember in your heart, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. just remember in your heart, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention, and you find what is wrong. make it a point to look at it and say, what can i do to make a difference, and that is how you are going to make my child's death worthwhile. i would rather have my child, but if i have to give her up, we are going to make it count. [applause]
>> how befitting to have the song "amazing grace" to be sung, a song that was written by john newton. my understanding is it was moaned in the belly of a slave ship owned by john newton. seeing the intermixing of the good things, the hard things, to come together to make something as beautiful as "amazing grace." you are going to hear some sound, imagine yourself on that ship. things that are going to happen right now.
[applause] >> to the family and all the friends assembled here, there is a verse that appears in the 90th psalm, verse 12. it says, "so teach us to number our days that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom." this particular psalm is ascribed to moses. it is identified as the prayer of moses, and it is obvious from
the prayer that it was a quest, or maybe i should say a request, to ask god for some assistance and help to live. it was not just for moses himself, but it was for the people of israel. what is interesting about this particular psalm and the focus of my words today, as we celebrate the life of heather, is the fact he says to god teach us, instruct us, educate us, inform us, give us knowledge to number our days.
the hebrew word for the word "number" does not mean to count. but rather, to make each day that you live count. in other words, you need to learn how to get the most out of your life. see, a lot of times, we determine a full life by the number of years that you live. but i want you to know, it is not how long you live, it's what you do with the days that you have to live. because the object is to get the most out of each day. because each day that god gives you is a blessing. each day is a gift. but this word "number" seems to suggest to be counted or to make yourself accountable. it is to be able to acknowledge.
and one of the things i want to suggest about heather is this. that is that she had some value that enabled her to make each day count. you see, i don't want to rust out in life, i want to wear out in life. and the way i want to wear out is by giving my life to a cause or for a reason that enables me to make a difference in somebody else's life. because what i have learned in the 65 years and a few months of my living is this -- it is not how long, it is what you do well -- while you live. and so for me, as you live your days, as you commemorate, as you celebrate her life, then you need to learn from her, and that
is make each day count, because she lived her life supporting and believing and having value that enabled her to fight for justice and righteousness. now, as i think about some of the things, i know this has been a heavy blow to our community. and, yes, haters have been here. yes, we don't want them here. but we need to take a higher road, and we need to let them know that the 3 lives that were lost this weekend will not be in vain. one of the ways you can make them not be in vain is to make sure that you use your life and get the most out of it by touching another life. how do you touch another life? wouldn't it be wonderful in the charlottesville area, that if
each one of us adopted a child who cannot read, if we make sure that child was going to read on -- on the right level of reading -- [laughter] was on grade level in reading in this community, you would have a child that would be a child who in this community could not read. don't you know it would say this about heather's life? that she did not waste hers, we did not waste ours. and so for me, i want to get the most out of my life. one of the things i want to make sure of is that my living is not in vain. the songwriter said it best, if i can help somebody as i pass along, if i can show somebody
they are traveling wrong, if i can teach somebody, then my living shall not be in vain. what will you do with the rest of the days of your life? will you make a difference in in someone's life? because the bottom line is you have to decide that either you will rust out or wear out. let us pray. and now, god our father, we thank you for the life of heather. we thank you for her mom, her father, her stepfather, for her brother, sister.
we thank you for her grandparents. we thank you for every one who has instilled values in her life. lord, i pray that you would bless the family, affirm their faith and trust in thee, above you do it all things well. now keep them and bless them in the name of jesus our king we do pray, and all the people gathered today say amen. i need to ask that everybody would remain seated until the family has exited from the auditorium. the morticians are in charge.
after the family, we will let the governor, lieutenant governor, and the attorney general and their staff be dismissed, too. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
announcer: on wednesday, washington's journal, we talk to a former white nationalist who now works to encourage people to leave hate groups. this is a half-hour. oin us for in depth first sunday of the month at noon eastern on book t.v. on c-span 2. >> "washington journal" continues. former r guest was a white aryan resistance organizer and now is executive director of life after hate, tony mcaleer joining us on "washington journal," good morning to you. thank you for having me. host: could you tell us about it does?p and what guest: life after hate started and line journal in 2009 founded by arnold